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steve
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Aug 2012 :  20:03:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Matt u have just backed my point up with the training thing.

The best players didnt play but because of long term commitment other come through,
Korfball clubs esp nl look very short term ie who is the best 8 now right they have to play no matter what and thats not good

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Marc
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Netherlands
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 :  01:15:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Sorry marc what part of my post didn't you understand.?
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It's not the content I don't understand, it's the concept... Recruiting top players through this forum... I can't get my hear around it. Anyway it's surely quite the opposite of a LinkedIn discussion we're having about the underground scouting activities of one of the Dutch Korfball League clubs.

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sicknote
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 :  12:31:25  Show Profile  Visit sicknote's Homepage  Reply with Quote
There is no central point of contact for korfball players, it's either out in the open on the forums or the percieved underhandedness of asking current players to go and 'tap-up' others.

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Matt Von Leicester
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United Kingdom
219 Posts
Posted - 10 Aug 2012 :  13:45:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, the training example does support your idea Steve, I thought it was a good one, I just included the example as a way in which we could move towards your idea, I still don't think selecting a whole squad based on attendance is practical, but it is something that could be worked towards over a long period of time.

I also agree on the short termism. Except for a couple of examples in the NL who do develop very young players... I don't think NL teams give themselves the choice of playing newer players as they don't have them. I would love to see local leagues adopt a new player policy, as in, any club with a team at local level must bring a certain number of names into the league in that year who have never played Korfball before in order to get a team promoted from that league.

Yes it would be hard work in the short term and require effort and teamwork and god forbid we do any of that, but nobody can argue the long term benefits.

Anyway, coming back to topic a little, I see no reason why clubs shouldn't recruit on here at any level. Is our sport really big enough (in any country) to get snobby over what methods of communication we use?

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kev_moss
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 :  14:08:55  Show Profile  Visit kev_moss's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I find facebook the best place to tap up players! ;)

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Steve Barker
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USA
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 :  23:42:05  Show Profile  Visit Steve Barker's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I don't see why Kingfishers should not be using the forum to try to recruit NL quality players as it probably the place where more of them are likely to see such an appeal.

There is no reason why Kingfishers should not be actively targeting players in clubs at the top of the NL who are likely to spend their season warming an NL bench and cheerleading their club's first team

Ross is quite right in pointing that Kingfishers have lost a number of really good quality young players in recent years to university and this continues to present problems for clubs that focus on progressive junior programs.

The only reason Nottingham was able to win the cup and compete for the NL title was because of the progressive junior programs in London and Kent in recent years.

Sadly as Steve points out the trend has been for players to join already dominant and successful clubs and all too often we have judged coaches purely on team performance, not taking into account they players they had at their disposal.

What we need are more players looking for a challenge rather than an easy route into the National squad or NL finals

In my 32 years in Korfball every club move I made was to a club that was either brand new or in the middle of the table, and in each case I was able to play a key role in that clubs achieving success. When I joined Mitcham they had finished well down in the NL table the year before and when at the time I moved on to Croydon they had never won a raffle.

When both achieved success it tasted a lot sweeter as a result

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Marc
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Netherlands
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Posted - 11 Aug 2012 :  23:48:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So Manchester United can recruit new players on a football forum?

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Arnold
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Aug 2012 :  13:23:57  Show Profile  Visit Arnold's Homepage  Reply with Quote
@Marc

On the LinkedIn discussion you don't support underhand poaching. On this forum, you state that you don't understand that Kingfishers do it publicly. Any suggestions on how this should be done instead then? (within the British korfball context where clubs lose 10-20%(!) of their players every year)

Secondly, even if this is not your method of choice, why do you have a problem with this approach? I think it is very commendable to recruit publicly.

Thirdly, virtually every club (including the Dutch ones) publicly announce when they're looking for a coach, so why should the recruitment of players be any different?

Fourthly, if Man Utd (or any other company or organisation for that matter) were short of volunteers / players / employees, I'm sure it would be very common for them to recruit via the most-common communication channels.
Incidentally, Man Utd's vacancies are here: http://www.manutd.com/en/Club/Jobs.aspx

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Sam_S
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Posted - 13 Aug 2012 :  13:13:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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So Manchester United can recruit new players on a football forum?

Kingfishers should definitely use a worldwide network of professional talent scouts, agents, directors of korfball and an extensive coaching team to identify and negotiate with their transfer targets They could probably ask Sky Sports to unsettle a few players at their rivals too.

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Steve Barker
KorfballNet.com


USA
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Posted - 13 Aug 2012 :  22:16:34  Show Profile  Visit Steve Barker's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I think it refreshing to see a club seeking to fill player vacancies openly and honestly rather than by the usual underhand route that other often adopt.

We here a lot about 'poaching' and how terrible it is but why shouldn't clubs that are short of NL quality players not seek to persuade players from other clubs to join them, especially ones who will spend the NL season bench warming and cheerleading.

The only problem comes when being a member of a certain club is seen as route into the national squad but hopefully we have moved past those dark old days

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