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crispy
First Team
United Kingdom
90 Posts |
 Posted - 08 Feb 2004 : 14:17:38
It will not be the players on the pitch that, for the most part, determine the final positions in the National League year. Referees are having an undue influence on the outcome of matches - whether there is intent there, or not. There have been too many matches this year, when the refereeing has been inconsistent and there ended upo being key match deciding decisions in many games where a single decision does make a difference to the outcome of the match. It is inconsistency that players hate - not wrong decisions. Referees are human, just like the players, and will make wrong decisions - but inconsistency results in frustration all round, and many players will take advnatage in this and stretch the rules; only human to take every advantage on offer, but sometimes people get blown up, and other times let off for the same offence. How are players meant to determine the boundaries of the match? How do they know what they can and cannot do? It is too easy to say that the referee can only give what they see on the pitch. If only they did most of the time! The have been umpteen occasions this season where decisions both for us and against us, have been given where there is no possible way that the referee could have seen the infringement. Most of the time our referees give decisions that they think they saw when the play is tight and there are many players around. Does this mean that we need linesmen? Well about 8 years ago, we did - on every NL game. It worked very well, but there are not enought referees to do that today. We all pay to play Korfball - some for pleasure and some for competition. Either way, we all want to get referees that are capable of controlling our games and making decisions appropriate to the level of the match. In the NL at the moment, we do not have this. We have inconsistency, 'creative' decision making, and matches whos result is swayed by the momentary lapses of the referee. We pay for referees. If we want better quality referees, I am sure that we would pay a bit more. To enjoy the game, or the competition is more important - and to have the top league in our country reflect the abilities of the teams, not the referees is even more important than that.
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Beth
Star Player
United Kingdom
289 Posts |
Posted - 08 Feb 2004 : 18:39:29
Don't you think you're being a little bit harsh. Yes, mistakes are made but I don't think which referee you have will determine where you finish in the league.
The refs give up a lot of their time so we can have a NL, they have to travel away to matches (which for a nottingham game is a long way from london) and they put up with alot of stick from players during matches as we all always think we've been fouled or didn't foul the opposition..
We have assessment forms to fill after the matches so the refs get some feedback on what they're doing right / wrong.
we've all played in matches where we feel that the ref has been terrible or biased or inconsistent or made the wrong decisions or whatever but deciding that they have a major influence the outcome of the league is possibly going a little over the top. Beth xxx |
sicknote
World Class
United Kingdom
542 Posts |
Posted - 08 Feb 2004 : 19:45:18
Yes the referees are great for giving up their time and travelling but if a decision is made badly then the disadvantaged team are frustrated and lose their focus which can cost games, also a second non bias opinion from a linesman cannot harm the game.The alien said mooo!
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patrick
World Class
Netherlands
1099 Posts |
Posted - 08 Feb 2004 : 19:55:52
It's never bad to have a linesman, as far as I am concerned... Poll time!!100% korfball |
patrick
World Class
Netherlands
1099 Posts |
Posted - 08 Feb 2004 : 19:57:47
how do you make a poll on this forum??100% korfball |
sicknote
World Class
United Kingdom
542 Posts |
Posted - 08 Feb 2004 : 19:59:42
Gav has to do it i think.The alien said mooo!
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Gav
Korfball.com
United Kingdom
3713 Posts |
Posted - 08 Feb 2004 : 22:17:21
The problem with democracy is that people who haven't considered all sides of an argument get to vote! We'll do a poll after more discussion first.Do linesmen add inconsistency within a match if they have a different 'style' of refereeing to the referee themselves? Is the biggest problem inconsistency within one match, or between different matches? -------
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AnnaT
Star Player
440 Posts |
Posted - 08 Feb 2004 : 23:22:05
I don't suppose this post is anything to do with one of the matches played today was it??I can see that having someone run the line would be a positive step forward but as we are struggling to have enough refs to ref the NL at the moment, I'm not sure where we'd get the extra people to run the line. Until we have an answer to the question of how to get more people willing to take up a whistle, there appears to be little we can do. (Unless the format of the league is changed somehow to enable more refs who also play, to be available.)
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Lardy
Hot Prospect
United Kingdom
7 Posts |
Posted - 08 Feb 2004 : 23:54:37
While I agree the standard of refereeing is not always as high as we would like it to be, the most annoying aspect is that the biggest whingers and most voiciferous complainers are the many players that make no effort to referee themselves !
It is not an easy job at the best of times and perhaps if more of you 'know it all' unqualified refs who seem so sure of the rules when playing, got of your backsides and joined those of us willing to put the effort in and referee then as Anna says, we can improve the quality and who knows, one day maybe have the added luxury of linesmen aswell.
From my experience, the players that complain the most not only don't put themselves in the firing line by refereeing but most don't even know the rules in the first place.
Red card to the unqualified whingers !
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Karl Sieber
World Class
United Kingdom
502 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2004 : 01:00:01
I'm not sure if I should be congratulating crispy for having the nuts to stand up and say what a lot of us were thinking or tell him/her that it's a bit harsh and the refs deserve a bit more respect for what they do. I think both views are valid. I've ceratinly been in close games where I've wondered if the game might have gone the other way if certain "iffy" decisions hadn't been made.
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Emma C
Star Player
United Kingdom
106 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2004 : 09:41:45
Yes Anna i think it was referring to a game that was played yesterday! I agree what is being said about the commitment but when teams play in games which are so close and also in many situations important to one or both teams it is very annoying to have a referee who makes consistently bad decisions. Im not sure whether you can say that the players who 'whinge' do not actually know the rules themselves, maybe that in a way is 'going over the top'? Bad decisions during play you can get away with or let go, but when the decisions are blatent and picked up on by BOTH teams, im sorry but in my opinion that is just wrong! We do need more refs definately, maybe players who are involved in these frustrating games will be more willing to become one? Or maybe using the most qualified referees for higher standards of games would be useful if possible?
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